Which ever pattern I have the most confidence in I place on the bottom. Furthest from the rod. Just for the reason I get fewer tangles in my setup when that is the hot pattern.

I am sure there's some formulas for the "perfect" set up but I missed or ignored it when it was published.

Get a little fish slime , decaying moss, or dirt on your wet fly. Especially after it is water logged. I bet those barbules press against the abdomen at the slightest current caused pressure.

I didnt want to hijack the Stewart Black Spider thread. I keep a few Peacock and Black, & Black Spiders in my fly box. I will not call the Black Spider a Stewart as I dont want to argue the point if it is or is not tied in a manner to call it a Stewart. Both patterns are always tied in size 18. ...

The search results I got before asking what "4B hen feathers" are returned all sorts of results about decor and none about tying flies and some stuff about elevator parts; so thank you for suggesting I repeat that search. I now know just as much about your contribution as I care to. A rep...

Trevis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:26 pm

DUBBN wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 12:15 pm

Trevis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:37 am Dun4B Hen feathers? Unknown to me.
Fly looks fishy.

GOOGLE it.

yep, wall & garden decor, Thanks.

The 4B hen neck is a great addition to any soft hackle material collection. I could not comment on your taste in home and garden decor.

Trevis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:37 am Dun4B Hen feathers? Unknown to me.
Fly looks fishy.

GOOGLE it.

Dubbn, what size hooks can you tie on using the 4B hen feathers? I didn't buy any because the pictures I looked at all the feathers seemed really large for 14's and 16's, that is as small as I tie because of my vision. Thank you. I can tie down to 22 with the 4B, but its a struggle. Whiting Genetic...

Dun and Dun, size 14 Dun Hares Mask and Dun4B Hen feathers. Tail,CDL Hen https://i.postimg.cc/0NF5qVDQ/69614033-2592217424143626-8915207020970246144-n.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/W3wy73Nv/69717257-2592217550810280-1424987784224964608-n.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Gp1zSCSh/69349981-2592217477476954-8159913...

I still tie and fish a few buckskin patterns and believe the chamois gives the fish something to chew on. After a few fish, they get stanked and slimed like the real thing :twisted: ... synthetics don't do that. The downside is they do not dry well and there will be some rusty hooks but it's a smal...

Wayne - Why do you dislike buckskin? What characteristic(s) causes you to seek other options? Curious to hear your thoughts. ;) I dislike chamois, which is used to tie the Buckskin nymphs. I broke my right hand 10 days ago, and am trying to find patterns I can tie. Chamois is too fragile with or wi...