Hooks for Leisenring Nymphs

[Stendalen]

Thanks Mark.
I like hooks, have far too many. Never used Daiichi though.

DD:
Yes, he have some cool hooks indeed. As we speak I'm doing an olive caddis flymph with picric dyed partridge on Gaelic Supreme Spider hook with . We'll see how that turns out...

/Martin

[Soft-hackle]

dd,
HMM-- Don't know if these hooks you posted are the same, although they might be. Allcocks may have had this number to represent a hook line rather than a particular style. Leisenring mentions two #1810s. One which he prefers is sproat style Allcock's 1810 First Grade Hollow Point, which he claims are better than Allcock's 1810 Best Grade Hollow Point. To me Sproat bend and limerick are very similar in shape, and we've got to remember, back then there were few standards set regarding hooks. Each manufacturer produced hooks which might have differed from one another.

Mark

[Soft-hackle]

Martin,
I believe Daiichi are very close to Kamasan. Some styles do not carry over into Kamasan, so you have to check it out.

Mark

[DUBBN]

This thread has me bouncing around all sorts of hook comparison charts!


http://killroys.com/chart/hook-charts/f ... partridge/

http://www.buckeyeflyfishers.com/Articl ... okmust.htm

http://www.oocities.org/robertellis600/hooks.htm

[Soft-hackle]

I like these.

http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/spor ... otCategory

Mark

[willowhead]

FANTASTIC! thread..........i've always liked the Captain Hamilton.....don't have a lot of those left. i think i heard (but who knows?), that Daiichi and Kamasan are made in the same factory...........? i've been to Ronn Lucas' house and saw his hook collection........"Something Else!"
Wait til you see these new Gamakatsu R17-3FT hooks..........barbless, nontwisted, normal (straight) eye, forged, 3X fine wire, with an upturn to the points you won't believe. WOW! i'm callin' em soon..........hehehehehe.

[William Anderson]

Great thread, fellas. I initially thought, well, this will be informative for those not familiar with the differences between Hidy's flies and Leisenring's flies...and now 20 minutes later, I'm still drooling over shapes and comparison charts. This stuff is just interesting. Nicely done.

w

[daringduffer]

dd,
HMM-- Don't know if these hooks you posted are the same, although they might be. Allcocks may have had this number to represent a hook line rather than a particular style. Leisenring mentions two #1810s. One which he prefers is sproat style Allcock's 1810 First Grade Hollow Point, which he claims are better than Allcock's 1810 Best Grade Hollow Point. To me Sproat bend and limerick are very similar in shape, and we've got to remember, back then there were few standards set regarding hooks. Each manufacturer produced hooks which might have differed from one another.

Mark

Mark,
They are similar but not the same - the uppermost curve of the bend differ slightly. I do think that for fishing purposes they might be considered the same. If one wants to be historically correct - and why shouldn't one - they are indeed different. I suppose a lot of modern hooks are of better quality than yesteryears. My playmate Mikael lost a substantial grayling due to hook failure. He was fishing a Bradshaw's Fancy Variant tied by yours truly on a Captain Hamilton Featherweight # 16. It broke behind the barb. He will never fish another tied on that hook model.

Just out of interest I will write Mats-Ola Matsson to ask who the manufacturer of the "false 1810" is.

dd

[Jim Slattery]

Leisenring preferred to use Messeena hooks for his flies with the model perfect bends. He did use sproat bends as well. Also of note it seems he used standard shanked hooks for Mayflies, shorter shank for caddis and extra long shanks for stoneflies. All of this of course is not written in stone. He did prefer down eyed hook as well.
The question one may ask is what happened to Messeena ? They were bought out by Veniards in the early 1960"s with Veniard continuing Messeena hooks under the Veniard name.
Jim

[willowhead]

Hey Jim, how's the clothes line doin'? ......... ..............thankx for the info.