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Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:47 pm
by Tiny trout
William Anderson wrote:A fished Green Drake (presumable Western Green Drake, although its as yellow and bright as an Eastern Green Drake) pattern with an underwing of brightly dyed deer hair. There is a mottled hen hackle and there is a type of hair hackle in front, too thin to be deer, looks more like hares mask guard hairs, but I'm not sure.


Nemes tied Green Drake
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An interesting tippet knot, not one I use. If you recognize it I'd be curious to hear what it's called.
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Davy knot. See Midge Magic by Holbrook or Internet search.

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:29 pm
by hankaye
Tiny trout, Howdy;

Welcome to the fun! Have you nosed around the various different forums we have here?
Hours of excellent reading. Groups of information with lots of helpful folks popping up
from all over the Earth.

hank

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:29 pm
by hankaye
dub-ya, Howdy;
William Anderson wrote:A fished Green Drake (presumable Western Green Drake, although its as yellow and bright as an Eastern Green Drake) pattern with an underwing of brightly dyed deer hair. There is a mottled hen hackle and there is a type of hair hackle in front, too thin to be deer, looks more like hares mask guard hairs, but I'm not sure.


Nemes tied Green Drake
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An interesting tippet knot, not one I use. If you recognize it I'd be curious to hear what it's called.
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It's an odd looking knot, generally the tag ends are pointed to the bend.
Closest I could find is the Orvis Knot, which has the tag facing the rod.
http://www.animatedknots.com/orvis/
Hope that helps.

hank

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:54 pm
by hankaye
Howdy All;

To late to edit my last reply. Followed Tiny trout's idea, highlighted the phrase > Midge Magic by Holbrook <
left clicked on it and selected Google search. Went to Amazon and 'Looked Inside". On page 6 was a box
with a drawing of "The KNOT" no other name and was credited to someone's son form the Salt Lake City area
way back about 1999. Even if the tag ends up at 90° it looks like a good one to me...

hank

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:58 pm
by Mataura mayfly
My vote is for the Palomar knot, as it looks to me like the tippet has passed through the eye of the hook twice?

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:42 pm
by letumgo
Jeff - I was thinking the same thing, although the Trilene knot also passes thru the eye twice too.

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:42 am
by hankaye
Howdy All;

I had thought of the 2 of them but discounted due to the bulk
Palomar;
http://www.animatedknots.com/palomar/
Trilene;
http://www.animatedknots.com/trilene/

hank

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:39 pm
by Tiny trout
Thank you for the welcome.
I am overwhelmed by the amount of information on this forum.
I am going slowly through all the old posts so I can catch up, and I am having a lot of fun doing it!
Dom

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:34 pm
by Mataura mayfly
letumgo wrote: the Trilene knot also passes thru the eye twice too.
As does the "grinner" knot, does it not?

Hank, you are assuming (from a Military background?) that everybody follows the rules and regulations as set out in the manual. This particular knot may be none of the above, or it may be one of the above tied with one or two less wraps before tightening- thus leading to less bulk.
Maybe it was tied in the heat of the moment when the rise was on and the fly needed to get in the water quick and short cuts were taken!
Or the tier had come to learn that a couple of turns was enough for the size of fish he most often encountered?

Re: Sylvester Nemes Soft-Hackles

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:25 am
by hankaye
Mataura mayfly,

Jeff, did you look at the knot I referred to in my "Edit" first post, Actually a second posting.

"
To late to edit my last reply. Followed Tiny trout's idea, highlighted the phrase > Midge Magic by Holbrook <
left clicked on it and selected Google search. Went to Amazon and 'Looked Inside". On page 6 was a box
with a drawing of "The KNOT" no other name and was credited to someone's son from the Salt Lake City area
way back about 1999. Even if the tag ends up at 90° it looks like a good one to me..."

Granted it has only one turn through the eye, but I'm not ( ;) ), convinced that the one in the photo
shared by dub-ya does. Perhaps he can confirm if it does indeed or only a single turn. Which would
follow your tyed in haste theory.
It was my understanding that the number of turns used was not a option and that a certain number were
required for the knot to do it's job. Proper military thinking would be "Adapt, Overcome, Survive" . :D , ;) , :lol: .

hank