Varying Degrees of Stiffness (play time)

[letumgo]

I've spent the last couple hours playing around with a basis partridge and peacock pattern. I'm playing around with also ribbing the body with ostrich herl (gives a cool gray buzzy quality to the body), and also with using dry fly hackle wrapped in a couple different densities and proportions (full length of body) and just in the throrax region (jingler style).

Here are a couple pictures I took as I played around.

Two hungarian partridge skins. One dyed a brown-dun and the other dyed a dark blue-dun .



Going Grey (Partridge-Peacock and Ostrich)
Hook - Daiichi Model 1740 (Size 12)
Thread - 8/0 UNI-Thread (Rusty Dun)
Hackle - Hungarian Partridge (dyed brownish-dun)
Body - Five or Six Strands of Peacock Herl (Natural)
Open Body Overwrap - One strand of Ostrich Herl (Natural Gray)
Rib/Tag - Fine Gold Wire

This fly is tyed with an ostrich herl rib (gives the herl body a nice outer halo). The hackle is the brown-dun partridge.




I then started playing around with dry fly hackle (tyed buzz).

I really liked this combination of colors (natural peacock herl, blue-dun patridge, rusty dun thread and brown dry fly hackle).


Buzz (full palmered body) Style:


Partridge hackle is wrapped back thru the front third of the body. Tying thread is wrapped forward the the hackle, reinforcing the hackle.





GENERAL PATTERN
Hook - Daiichi Model 1740 (Size 12)
Thread - 8/0 UNI-Thread (Rusty Dun)
Hackle - Hungarian Partridge (Dyed Dark Blue-Dun)
Body - Five or Six Strands of Peacock Herl (Natural)
Open Body Wraps - Whiting Dry Fly Hackle/Size 14 (Brown)

Here is a jingler style variation, with the dry fly hackle only wrapped in the thorax region. The partridge hackle is wrapped as a collar at the front.

[DUBBN]

Switch to https://postimages.org/ Ray. Works well.

[hankaye]

Ray, Howdy;

Appears that all images are still behaving themselves at the present time.

Your imagination never fails to amaze me. Beautiful thoughts you've given us.

When I read the title I was wondering if you were having problems that would be
better discussed with a urologist then a bunch of flytiers. ,

hank

[letumgo]

Hank - That’s funny!

My reference had to do with the body hackle. The buzz pattern is practically a dry fly. Probably pushing the limits, but it definitely looks “fishy”. Can’t wait to fish these, come spring.

The jingler style appears to be in interesting emerger variant. I wonder how these will work as an iso pattern.

[Roadkill]

With pictures it is a great series!!!

[Fishnkilts]

The fly that is buzzed looks like a killer of a fly. I'm going to have to learn the names of these techniques so I can remember them because I have never heard of the jingler style.

To me, and this is just my initial thought, though it looks really nice, the one tied with the jingler style looks unfinished. But that's just my impression, and I'm sure it means nothing because if that's how a jingler looks, then that's how it looks.

I like your photo's, they are very well done and have a bit of character to them. Those are beautiful looking materials too.

[letumgo]

Fishnkilts,

You can learn more about the "jingler" style fly here (excellent article about a Cinberg Jingler pattern): http://smallstreamreflections.blogspot. ... nberg.html

Here is another link fot a "Carson Lake Special", which has similar characteristics: https://donbastianwetflies.com/2012/01/ ... l-wet-fly/

Link discussing Datus Proper's "Bent Hackle" pattern: https://www.sparsegreymatter.com/viewtopic.php?t=5324

Book Reference ("The Fly-Fisher's Craft: The Art and History"/By Darrel Martin): https://books.google.com/books?id=nmKCD ... le&f=false

I know what you mean by how the fly looks unfinished, but this is by design (the way I want it to look). I want enough stiff hackle in the thorax region, to allow the fly to sink slowly (the stiff dry fly hackle will create drag, slowing the sink rate of the fly and cause it to drift with the current more closely). Yet I wanted the back end of the fly unhackled, so it would tend to ride bend downwards once it sinks below the surface (hopefully more like a natural insect hanging in the drift).

Datus Proper wrote about a "Bent Hackle" pattern, which is essentially the same as the jingler. The fly has a collar of soft hackle at the front, supported by stiffer body hackle.

My intension is to modify the behavior of the fly, by adjusting the amount of stiff hackle along the body of the fly. I've tyed up a batch with full body hackle, and various shorter (generally in the thorax region). When spring comes, I will test them out to see how they work. Let the fish decide what they like. I will just come prepared with options.

[Fishnkilts]

Fishnkilts,

You can learn more about the "jingler" style fly here (excellent article about a Cinberg Jingler pattern): http://smallstreamreflections.blogspot. ... nberg.html

Here is another link fot a "Carson Lake Special", which has similar characteristics: https://donbastianwetflies.com/2012/01/ ... l-wet-fly/

Link discussing Datus Proper's "Bent Hackle" pattern: https://www.sparsegreymatter.com/viewtopic.php?t=5324

Book Reference ("The Fly-Fisher's Craft: The Art and History"/By Darrel Martin): https://books.google.com/books?id=nmKCD ... le&f=false

I know what you mean by how the fly looks unfinished, but this is by design (the way I want it to look). I want enough stiff hackle in the thorax region, to allow the fly to sink slowly (the stiff dry fly hackle will create drag, slowing the sink rate of the fly and cause it to drift with the current more closely). Yet I wanted the back end of the fly unhackled, so it would tend to ride bend downwards once it sinks below the surface (hopefully more like a natural insect hanging in the drift).

Datus Proper wrote about a "Bent Hackle" pattern, which is essentially the same as the jingler. The fly has a collar of soft hackle at the front, supported by stiffer body hackle.

My intension is to modify the behavior of the fly, by adjusting the amount of stiff hackle along the body of the fly. I've tyed up a batch with full body hackle, and various shorter (generally in the thorax region). When spring comes, I will test them out to see how they work. Let the fish decide what they like. I will just come prepared with options.

Thank you for explaining all that. This is why I joined this forum, and I'm learning so much from just reading older threads and keeping pretty much silent . . .for now.
Your explanation on why you did the jingler style is something I would never have thought of on my own, and it makes complete sense to me why you did that.
And thank you for the links too. I will definitely look them over tonight.

[letumgo]

Dates Proper’s Bent Hackle Fly:

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[joaniebo]

A couple comments:

The "Buzz" fly looks like my Crackleback variation with a partrdige hackle up front. I think I tied a few of these years ago but not sure. Since I'm now tying CBs, will have to add a partridge hackle to a few.

Peacock bodied flies have been some of my most effective flies for several years. I tie 3+ versions, basically all the same except for the thread. An "Egg Laying Caddis" with FL. Green or Torquise thread; a "Red A _ _" with red thread: and another with black thread.

In ttying all three versions, I wrap the thread part way down the hook bend before tying in a gold wire and the peacock herl. After wrapping the peacock herl body and counter wrapping the gold wire, I add a partrdige hackle and finish off the head with the thread. So all three have "Colored thread" butts and heads and the same body and hackle, only difference being the color of the thread

Sometime, just for the heck of it, I'll vary the hackle and use brown, black, etc. hen hackles. Since the enclosed pic was made, I now wrap the threads further down the hook bend to add a more distinct butt!