Edmonds and Lee

[Mike Connor]

A couple of people pointed out that part of the hook is missing on fly 21. I know that, it is missing in the original plate. I could have "repaired" it, but did not wish to falsify anything.

http://www.archive.org/stream/brookrive ... 3/mode/2up

TL
MC

[Stendalen]

Mike.

Thank you so very much for all these posts.

Ragards
Martin

[Ruard]

Mike,

On fly 21 there is something I do not understand:

21. Knotted Midge: (Diptera (Gnat)
Hook: 0 or 00
Wings: hackled down the body "palmerwise" with a small black cock's hackle
Body: ash-colored silk No. 10, dubbed with dark Heron hurl
Head: Magpie hurl
Middle of May to end of July. For close days.

What does "dubbed with dark Heron hurl" mean? How you can make dubbing of heren herl??

Greeting

[tie2fish]

I'm curious too, Ruard. It's probably one of those "language evolution" things, and I am anxious for Mike to sort it out for us.

[Mike Connor]

What does "dubbed with dark Heron hurl" mean? How you can make dubbing of heren herl??

Greeting

Dubbing originally means winding something on to the BODY of the fly. This term as applied to fur on silk means winding ( or twisting) something on to the THREAD.

"Dubbed" herl, just means wound on to the body.

Here is the "Spring Black" dubbed with magpie herl;

No.4 Spring Black Diptera (Gnat) Hook 0 (Modern size =12 )



WINGS. - Hackled with a black Cock´s hackle or a blue black feather from an adult Starling´s neck.

BODY. - Purple silk, No.8, dubbed sparingly with Magpie herl.

HEAD. - Purple Silk.

TL
MC

[Ruard]

Thanks, this makes it clear.


Greeting

[Stendalen]

What does "dubbed with dark Heron hurl" mean? How you can make dubbing of heren herl??

Greeting

Dubbing originally means winding something on to the BODY of the fly. This term as applied to fur on silk means winding ( or twisting) something on to the THREAD.

"Dubbed" herl, just means wound on to the body.

Here is the "Spring Black" dubbed with magpie herl;

No.4 Spring Black Diptera (Gnat) Hook 0 (Modern size =12 )


WINGS. - Hackled with a black Cock´s hackle or a blue black feather from an adult Starling´s neck.

BODY. - Purple silk, No.8, dubbed sparingly with Magpie herl.

HEAD. - Purple Silk.

TL
MC

I see. So then I should have, if I were to do it like you describe, twisted the hurl round the thread in the second fly in this post http://flymphforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2345?

Martin

[Mike Connor]

Magpie ( Pica pica 18” Tail 9”)



Magpie Herl



Refers to strands of herl taken from the tail of a Magpie. A reasonable substitute for Magpie herl is cock pheasant centre tail fibre dyed dark green/ black .This may also be done with a waterproof marker. The term dubbing in reference to this material, means that a few turns of the herl are placed on the body as a rib. The pheasant herl is not as robust as the Magpie. Unfortunately, my cat got the last Magpie tail I had and I never bothered replacing it. I never used it much anyway. Merely for some historical spiders.

The magpie tail herl which is black with a brilliant iridescent metallic green sheen, was used a lot as a head, or as ribbing ( dubbing!) on many old spiders. Not many other feathers from this bird are used, although the wings and body provide a lot of very good black and iridescent blue hackles. The tail is black/iridescent green but the body and wings are black /iridescent blue!

[Mike Connor]

I see. So then I should have, if I were to do it like you describe, twisted the hurl round the thread in the second fly in this post http://flymphforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2345?

Martin

The way you have done it is correct. That is "dubbed" herl. You can twist herl together with the thread if you wish, it makes it more robust.

The term now mainly used for this is "ribbing", and the term "dubbing" is mainly ( or only!) used for fur etc.

TL
MC