Tan Grizzly

[letumgo]

Lance - Donald has excellent hackle summary info on his site:

http://donaldnicolson.webplus.net/page157.html
http://donaldnicolson.webplus.net/page81.html
http://donaldnicolson.webplus.net/page99.html

[William Anderson]

Beautifully done, Lance. This is a very compelling combo.

I'm surprised I don't have a grizzled hen cape. Ray, thanks for all the links.

Donald, your site is such a treasure.

w

[gingerdun]

Lance - Donald has excellent hackle summary info on his site:

http://donaldnicolson.webplus.net/page157.html
http://donaldnicolson.webplus.net/page81.html
http://donaldnicolson.webplus.net/page99.html

Ray,
Many thanks for directing me to Donald's site, especially the Veniard hackle definitions in the first link.

Taken from John Veniards ‘Fly Dressers Guide’
Grizzle - alternate bars of black and white usually from Plymouth Rock poultry.
Cree - Plymouth Rock/Rhode Island Red cross.
Reds (Browns) - from Rhode Island Red poultry.
Red Game - from Old English Game poultry.
Badger - Black centre with white outer fibres, sometimes with black tips.
Furnace - Black centre with red outer fibres.
Coch-Y-Bondhu - As Furnace but with the edges of the fibres tipped with black.
Greenwell - Black centre with ginger outer fibres.
Blue Dun - Slate grey.
Iron Blue - very dark slate grey.
Dun - mouse colour.
Honey Dun & Honey Blue Dun - These have honey tipped fibres.
Rusty Dun & Rusty Blue Dun - These have rusty tipped fibres.
White/ Black/ Buff/ Ginger/ Honey/ etc./ are self descriptive. (Easy for him to say that.)

These definitions vary from what Leisenring wrote in ATWF, where he made no distinction between Grizzly and Cree for example. Also Veniard limits Badger to black centers and white outer fibers, and Furnace to black centers and red outer fibers. Leisenring said Badger and Furnace could have any outer color including yellow, silver, or red. To him, Furnace just meant that the black inner color reappears on the fiber tips, regardless of the inner color. I don't know if Leisenring's terminology will still stand today.
[Looks like I hijacked my own thread here].

Lance


Lance

[Mataura mayfly]

Lance, good quote, from a fine reference.... I have two copies.

Bit like fly patterns from different countries that look the same but have different names, you will find different names for the same kind of hackle. Make of it what you will, but if you ever come across a good furnace hackle that is black in the centre, red and then black tipped...... grab it with both hands.

[letumgo]

Lance - Check out the colors of hackle in this link.

http://featheremporium.com/Fly-Tying-Fe ... e-hen.html
(scroll down and click on the "badgers & furnace" tab)

Gorgeous examples of silver badger, speckled badger, broken badger, golden badger, greenwell, etc.

Check out the other tabs for to see examples of other color descriptions. The browns and duns are also interesting.

OMG. I could go broke looking at the feather emporium site.

[gingerdun]

Lance - Check out the colors of hackle in this link.

http://featheremporium.com/Fly-Tying-Fe ... e-hen.html
(scroll down and click on the "badgers & furnace" tab)

Gorgeous examples of silver badger, speckled badger, broken badger, golden badger, greenwell, etc.

Check out the other tabs for to see examples of other color descriptions. The browns and duns are also interesting.

OMG. I could go broke looking at the feather emporium site.

Ray, I already visited this site, and had to leave it immediately. Too tempting. Really gorgeous stuff.