Brown and Red 1740

[William Anderson]

Hank, sorry I missed that question the first time. I wrap the wire back up the body as a rib, exactly the same as any rib. It's no different than when I wrap the silk back up the bodies on the spiders. (another clever method that I saw Hans W. using. It's a pretty common practice as of late, but I saw it in Hans' posts and really liked it and use it alot.) All I can say about how to wrap the rib wire against the body wire without it falling inline with the body wire is...you just have to intend for it to be that way. I get to the last wrap of the body and in a single motion adjust to a 45 degree angle with steady pressure, not too much and just enough. It's not glued (and will move if you try to move em), they are just willed in place. (smiley) It's like you ignore the body and pull a hard 45 degree pull from the front and again on the backside. The result doesn't look like you've been working in straight lines, because it curves and wraps, but if you think of the rib as wider, steady angles and not wraps, they will lay down evenly. But you have to want it to. Like I said, the important thing is the correct amount of tension and the intention to have it happen. (I know about half of my comments to you questions are not very satisfying. I'm trying.)

w

[hankaye]

Dub-Ya, Howdy;

Don't be hard on yourself.... you're doin fine. .

Are you tying the wire on with thread then using the thread to tye on the hackle

I ask as I have seen some on You-Tube putting a "little-dab-will-do-ya" of varnish or superglue on the shank
to keep the wire from spinning round and aroundon the shank and NOT behaveing itself.

Sorry thought the question was clear. Apparently is was as clear as mud... my bad

Yes I like the emot-cons I also like the morning cartoons.....an the Sunday Funnies

hank

[William Anderson]

Hank, I think we're talking about the wire bodied flies with the wire acting as the rib on its way back up. Currect? Reply here and I'll try to be more specific. I'm sure there are a number or readers who are wondering what on earth I'm talking about as well. I'll start a thread in the tying section that hopefully will help, and we will have several others explain how they approach the subject and maybe get more questions.

I don't get to see sunday morning cartoons, but I do have a thing for Kipper. The cartoon on Sprouts, a PBS pre-k oriented channel. It's very simply done, and strangely entertaining. (insert emoticon of your choice here.)

w

[hankaye]

Dub-Ya, Howdy;

Ok,

Starting with a naked ( ), hook. How do you tye one of those flys with NOTHING (that I can see), but wire and a bity-bit of dubbing

That's the absolutest, basicest I know how to ask...

hank

Now if ya want to hog-tye a hackle on there I realize that might require something else. we can 'rassel that critter annutter time.

[kanutripr]

I think Hank (and me) was just wondering when you start the wire (looks like up near the front of the hook) do you tie in the end with thread or just wrap it around without locking it down first. I have found when I tie it in with thread it tends to make a little bulge, which wouldn't matter here because it can be covered with dubbing. I have seen wire bodies tied where the tier just wrapped the wire around the hook without locking it in.



Vicki

[William Anderson]

Okay. I just lost a huge post...probably for the best. It was exhaustive in trying to be accurate and humorous. It was really funny, wish you had seen it. But this one will be simpler to ease the hand cramps from the last attempt.

Bare Hook. This is for a wire body, without the wire rib and only a dubbed thorax. Like for a regular brassie style. There are several ways of doing this...this is how I do it. 3-4 turns of thread at the thorax. Now I tie in the wire at the thorax and lay it down the shank. Now bind the wire down with the tying thread in touching turns down to the bend. Then bring the thread back up the shank in even touching turns to the thorax as the underbody. Then I just bring the wire back up the shank in tight touching turns with good tension. Then tie it off at the thorax and dub. I know some who tie in at the bend and bring it up, but everyone has their own methods. I know some even use the glue on the shank and cut the wire off at the bend method. That is probably the simplest and it does work great. Personally, since I started using the method with the rib explained below, I will probably use the rib. It just makes more sense to me.

Bare Hook. This is for a wire body with the wire rib and only a dubbed thorax. 3-4 turns of thread at the thorax, tie in the wire at the thorax and wind it down the bare shank in very tight touching turns with plenty of tension. When you reach the bend, without releasing any of the tension pull the wire up the body in the 45 degree angled pulls that I described earlier bringing the wire to the thorax and tie it off again. Then dub the thorax and tie it off at the head. This body method is very secure and I like the look of it best. With tails and hackles or not. Try all of the methods you come across to see which you like best, and if you come up with something that works, please share it.

Does anyone else want to weigh in on how they tie wire bodies? I'd be curious to hear some other preferences.

w

[hankaye]

Dub-Ya, Howdy;

THAT'S what I were lookin' for.....

OH, and anyone that has another way of doing it Please weigh in.

Keeping it simple for my simple mind , less is less confusing ergo, ..... Less is more!

Kinda like Ladies Lingerie....... the less material …... the more the cost............

hank

[Ruard]

Hi Hank, thank you for asking, Me too was wondering how William has done the body of this fly.

William thank you for clear explanation.

Did you keep the wire under the shank of the hook?

Greeting

[William Anderson]

Looks like I laid the wire along the shank on the tiers side and slightly down. I usually pay closer attention, but I actually dont recall. Just by looking it looks like the wire wrap from tier and away at the bend and then comes over to start its touching turns upstream.

Which do you guys prefer? the smoother effect of wrapping the body wire up the shank, or wrapping the wire body down the shank and bringing it back up in ribs? I have my definite preference at this point. But I am still tying these patterns and I'm curious to hear how everyone else handles this type of fly. I'm sure most at this point are sick of hearing or seeing these wire bodies, but I'm still tying them, so I'm asking.

w

[daringduffer]

I'm sure most at this point are sick of hearing or seeing these wire bodies

And I'm sure you are mistaken. We can't have enough of it.

dd