Muskrat

Post by **kanutripr** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:34 am

Doesn't seem Dubbn's wife thinks so!

Vicki

Post by **willowhead** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:46 am

How come i aint surprised?

Post by **kanutripr** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:50 am

Soon as you start thinking we're all alike you're in trouble!

Vicki

Post by **willowhead** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:08 am

We got one race.............HUMAN race................we got two species................men, and women............

HEY, who the hell ever put the WO on women anyway..............

DUBBN · Post by **DUBBN** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:16 am

kanutripr wrote:It's nice to have a pic to go with the description. Good job...and nice fly.

Oh and did you know your vise was dirty?!?

Vicki

Grrrrrr!

Post by **DNicolson** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:36 am

I thought I would display the results of a little research on Wikipedia.
The Water Rat Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_water_vole
If anyone read "The Wind in the Willows", this is Ratty.
A very popular dubbing fur on the old Scottish and North country flies.
Banned now, but mole and others are ok.

The Musk Rat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musk_rat
Easily available over here.

Post by **William Anderson** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:16 am

Donald, thanks for posting that. I was looking through the "Soft-Hackle List" that I put together a few years ago. I remembered that Hans was kind enough to provide some notes about species materials substitutions. You gave me a list of hackles and descriptions that were invaluable and Mike Connor decyphered the different thread and wool designations. Anyway, Hans said this about the water rat.

"** Note: Hans Weilenmann: Where “Water Rat” is referenced in patterns this generally refers to a critter called a Water Vole. The Water Vole (Arvicola terrestris) is a semi-aquatic mammal that resembles a rat. In fact, water voles have often been mis-termed, “water rats”. Water voles have rounder noses than rats, deep brown fur, chubby faces and short fuzzy ears; unlike the rat their tails, paws and ears are covered with hair. The Water Vole is a protected species, so substitute material may be required. A good substitute for water-rat would be Hare, Muskrat, or Mole. This of course depends on the location of the under fur.

I have a bunch of soft-hackles/flymphs tied with muskrat bodies. Great stuff.

w

Post by **willowhead** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:08 pm

Tkx., to both Don and Bill.....

Post by **JohnP** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:22 pm

willowhead wrote:Tkx., to both Don and Bill.....

Ditto, and thanks for the information.

Post by **letumgo** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:17 pm

The collected wisdom, on this site, never fails to amaze me. Thanks Donald, William, Hans & Mike.

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