Tups Indefensible

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Re: Tups Indefensible

Post by CreationBear » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:08 am

The dark hackle may be a disastrous
I think our resident Tenkara-sama, C.M. Stewart ties his Tups with plover on occasion, using that same materials list as the basis for his interpretation. For myself, the question as to how much you can change on a fly and still legitimately label it, say, a "Tups" or a "Watchet" is kind of like the famous "Theseus' paradox" that first appears in Plutarch: the Athenians it seems still have the ship of the famous hero on display, but as they take your money and hand you your ticket stub, they perhaps neglect to tell you that every board, every hawser and square foot of sail has been replaced as it rotted away over the centuries. :lol: Is it still the "Ship of Theseus?" If not, at what point did it stop being such? For myself, the labeliing of any "traditional" pattern tied with modern methods and using modern materials should begin with implied "scare quotes"...and hopefully applied with a bit of humility and a sense of humor. :)

(FWIW, for those of y'all into antiques, I'll give you a great deal on the very ax that Abraham Lincoln used to split all those rails; it's like new--the handle replaced three times over the years, the head, only twice, :) )
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Re: Tups Indefensible

Post by gingerdun » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:20 am

I have posted these before, but in the spirit of this thread, I have dusted off the images
Hans, Thanks for this addition to the string. Not having seen the original post, I'm curious, why the "soaked" version? Perhaps it is a way to bring out the translucency that occurs when the body materials are wet. That comes across loud and clear in the second photo. Have you tried to shoot a fly submerged? I've been considering doing that, but been too lazy. It is a little daunting to think about how I would light it, but I have to get off my duff and give it a shot.

CB, only you could figure out a way to bring both Theseus and Abe Lincoln into a thread about a trout fly that is supposed to be made with the wool from a ram's testicles. Still chuckling here in Massachusetts. :D

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Re: Tups Indefensible

Post by Hans Weilenmann » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:30 am

gingerdun wrote:I'm curious, why the "soaked" version? Perhaps it is a way to bring out the translucency that occurs when the body materials are wet.
Indeed.
That comes across loud and clear in the second photo. Have you tried to shoot a fly submerged? I've been considering doing that, but been too lazy. It is a little daunting to think about how I would light it, but I have to get off my duff and give it a shot.
Considered, yes. Figured out a good way to do it - nope, not yet...

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Re: Tups Indefensible

Post by Kelly L. » Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:14 pm

Beautiful flies Gingerdun and Hans!!
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Re: Tups Indefensible

Post by Ruard » Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:50 pm

fflutterffly wrote:Ingerdun,
he lies re erfect, ven he urnt range nes. .....(the flies are perfect, even the burnt orange ones)
Thanks for the translation very appreciated.

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Re: Tups Indefensible

Post by willowhead » Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:10 pm

Obviously above, where i said, "can" think of it like that...........i mean't CAN'T think of it like that.

What a great thread...........

Jon, you crack me up. :lol:
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Re: Tups Indefensible

Post by Soft-hackle » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:33 pm

GingerDun,
A total knock out of a fly. I can see this taking many fish.

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Re: Tups Indefensible

Post by CreationBear » Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:03 pm

Willowhead-- the offer on Honest Abe's ax still stands: my wife is Syrian/Italian, so I don't want too many things lying about the house that will keep an edge. Capiche? :lol:
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Re: Tups Indefensible

Post by fly_fischa » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:59 am

Beautiful tie Lance, I absolutely love it.
If only my tying were more polished
Yeah right, you must be kidding mate, that's a tight tie my friend, you should be proud of it. In my eyes it'd be hard to improve on it. Great proportions, interesting hook, perfect choice of materials and colour, rounded off with a dodgy name ;) Purrrfekt...
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Re: Tups Indefensible

Post by gingerdun » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:48 am

Karsten,
Thanks for the pep talk.
Believe me, I still have a long way to go in learning how to put all the pieces together quickly and efficiently. If you saw a video of my clumsy process, you might take back your words!

Jim Slattery is a connoisseur of the whip-finish head, and I don't think he would approve of mine looking like a shapeless lump. This is partly because I dislike using head cement, so I do a double whip finish. Looks like the dog's breakfast. The head seems to be a kind of signature of each tyer, and I don't seem to have the skill yet to make one that I can be proud of. Practice, practice.

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