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Mike Connor
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by Mike Connor » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:32 am
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by Mike Connor » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:58 am
Sorry, one of the plates was not the final enhancement. Difficult to keep track of all this!
Here it is with flies 15...20
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daringduffer
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by daringduffer » Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:16 am
Not bad at all Mike. Will you include this plate also:
As Hank use to say - just askin'...
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Mike Connor
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by Mike Connor » Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:36 am
Sorry, as I wrote, difficult to keep track!
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Mike Connor
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by Mike Connor » Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:54 am
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CreationBear
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by CreationBear » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:31 am
Very cool project...

I'm curious about the fly proportions on these, though: even with a "quartering," foreshortened artist's perspective, the wings on some of these flies seem much longer than what the standard would be today. Was this a matter of artistic license or do the old flies really have that charateristic?
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Mike Connor
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by Mike Connor » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:19 am
They really did look like that. However, you have to be careful, at the time much shorter hackle was used than is now customary, and the hooks were chosen using different criteria. The illustrations are however accurate in regard to proportions.
The paintings of the natural flies are obviously very accurate with regard to proportions, and this is also an indication that the artificials are also accurate.
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by Mike Connor » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:44 am
Nowadays many people base fly "sizes" on the hook size. This is a fairly modern idea. At one time the insect size was paramount in determining the dressing. Some of these artificial flies look "odd" to many modern anglers, simply because they are used to seeing other "standards". Also, these are all wet flies. One side effect of using long hackle to float dry flies is that the hackle used on wet flies to represent legs also gradually became longer, although this is in fact contrary to common sense and good imitation.
Also, with spiders ( soft hackles) the hackle used represents the WINGS of a fly, not the legs as is commonly supposed. Hackle length on spiders is often about one and a half times the body length, which is the same proportion as many natural duns.
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CreationBear
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by CreationBear » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:55 am
Very interesting...definitely disorienting if your sense of fly design has been defined by the Catskill dry.

Thanks for elaborating.
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by daringduffer » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:01 pm
Mike Connor wrote:Nowadays many people base fly "sizes" on the hook size. This is a fairly modern idea. At one time the insect size was paramount in determining the dressing. Some of these artificial flies look "odd" to many modern anglers, simply because they are used to seeing other "standards". Also, these are all wet flies. One side effect of using long hackle to float dry flies is that the hackle used on wet flies to represent legs also gradually became longer, although this is in fact contrary to common sense and good imitation.
Also, with spiders ( soft hackles) the hackle used represents the WINGS of a fly, not the legs as is commonly supposed. Hackle length on spiders is often about one and a half times the body length, which is the same proportion as many natural duns.
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The value of these old writings is greatly enhanced by comments like this, aiding in putting things into perspective. Modern anglers tend to have dry flies as reference as to what constitutes a fly. I really appreciate history lessons like this...
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