Skues Fly and Nymph 2

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Re: Skues Fly and Nymph 2

Post by gingerdun » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:43 am

Donald, I sure didn't mean to hijack your post. I love your flies, and am tempted to try my hand at them. And the smallish barb on your hooks look much more functional than the giant one on Pete's fly.

Ray, I can't explain what that white thread is. Here is a closer look:

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And Mike, you make a good point about the difficulty of setting a hook with such a huge barb. This is what Leisenring said about the problem:
The overlarge barb is one of the serious causes of losing fish. Often you may hook a nice trout, play him a while, and then suddenly find the fly coming toward you and the fish going in the other direction. Eight times out of ten, I assure you, the barb of your hook was not deep enough into the fish’s flesh. You simply had the point of the hook stuck into him up to the barb. As long as there was a fair amount of tension on your line it held him, but as soon as he got slack line he was able to eject the fly. Any hook that is set over the barb into that gristle or tough flesh is not going to be dislodged very quickly by any trout, even if he does manage to get slack line. Most hooks sold today have a barb so wickedly big that, even if you do manage to set it into a fish’s jaw without breaking your gut leader, the barb makes such an enormous gash or hole when it enters that it becomes as easily dislodged as a hook which has not penetrated over the barb.
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Re: Skues Fly and Nymph 2

Post by Mataura mayfly » Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:21 pm

And Mike, you make a good point about the difficulty of setting a hook with such a huge barb. This is what Leisenring said about the problem:
The overlarge barb is one of the serious causes of losing fish. Often you may hook a nice trout, play him a while, and then suddenly find the fly coming toward you and the fish going in the other direction. Eight times out of ten, I assure you, the barb of your hook was not deep enough into the fish’s flesh. You simply had the point of the hook stuck into him up to the barb. As long as there was a fair amount of tension on your line it held him, but as soon as he got slack line he was able to eject the fly. Any hook that is set over the barb into that gristle or tough flesh is not going to be dislodged very quickly by any trout, even if he does manage to get slack line. Most hooks sold today have a barb so wickedly big that, even if you do manage to set it into a fish’s jaw without breaking your gut leader, the barb makes such an enormous gash or hole when it enters that it becomes as easily dislodged as a hook which has not penetrated over the barb.
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I too am not intentionally trying to hijack the thread, your old school ties are fantastic Donald, but I often fish heavy barbed hooks and find they suit me better than light wire and crushed barbs or barbless.
It may have something to do with resistance to the strike and the turning/ initial run of trout above 1 1/2lb and 12-16"? Or it may just be our trout are softer in the jaw. I have fished with crushed and barbless hooks and still manage to deliver more fish to hand with pronounced barbs, if care is taken with hook removal I notice very little difference in damage caused between the two styles.
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Re: Skues Fly and Nymph 2

Post by DNicolson » Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:55 pm

The hook I used on these two flies is the Veniard Osprey VH111 Dry Fly/Light Nymph.
It is not necessarly exactly of the type used by Leisenring, but Veniards is such an experienced
fly-dressing supplier that I made the assumption that he would have approved.
Leisenring and Skues preferred down-eyed hooks.
As regards barbs, there are barbless versions in the pipe-line from Veniard.
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