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Izaak wrote:Curious....has anyone else heard about or seen this technique? I have.... just saying.....

Never tried it myself, I may have heard or read of it, but never followed it up at the vice. Proof would be in fishing it to see if the Mole dubbing washes off.

I'm sure I have tried the technique on just a few flies some time ago. I'm not sure much more is accomplished than trapping the fibers between the initial base of silk and the intended rib. I have to say the fly sure looks nice though Tom. Now give it a swim and see what the fish think.

Regards, Jerry

Jerry G wrote:I'm sure I have tried the technique on just a few flies some time ago. I'm not sure much more is accomplished than trapping the fibers between the initial base of silk and the intended rib. I have to say the fly sure looks nice though Tom. Now give it a swim and see what the fish think.

Regards, Jerry

Jerry,

Yes, you may be right. I certainly don't have any stock in this "technique", and once I get the split thread method down, after I get new thread that will allow me to do it, there will be no going back anyway. Eventually I will give this fly a swim. By then I will have completely forgotten about this post, and the fly will probably be hung up in a tree anyway....

Tom

I have always done touch dubbing in the same way. Learned it years ago from a show. I just dub a bit heavier when touching and let the untrapped fibers fly away when the thread twists. I do wax the thread with a sticky wax first which helps grab the dubbing fibers and cause them to get caught in the twist. The wax hardens a bit over time and "cements" the trapped fibers in. I do more often now use the same technique just with the split thread.

Great pattern Izaak. Very similar color scheme to the Old Master. One of my favorites.

About the 2:10 mark and onward, Davie McPhail demonstrates the technique referenced above:

http://youtu.be/6zR2QXREz70?t=2m11s

Even if the dubbing is or is not trapped in between the thread filaments the pattern is still fishable. As the video shows the dubbing ended up in a noodle. If it had not the dubbing still would have been touch dubbed and would have been secured as it was wrapped forward. In any scenario you end up with a durable, and serviceable fly . Izaak, I would not give up on this technique if you like the results.

That being said, I still prefer the split thread technique. Izaak, have you decided which thread you will be purchasing for this application? Bennechi 12/0 has been my favorite for about a year now. In second is Griffin Sheer 14/0 followed by UTC70. That was until a few weeks ago when I purchased some Veevus 14/0. It is competing for the top spot with Bennechi as of this week end.

Here is a size 24 (Umpqua U202). The thorax/under wing is mole in a split thread. Veevus 14/0 Gray. Sorry about the pic quality

DUBBN,

WOW! What a nice looking #24 fly! Kudos to you buddy! Thanks for the information about the threads. I need to stock up on some of these brand names. Most of my thread is Uni-thread and it just doesn't split well at all. #24....wow!

Tom

JohnP wrote:About the 2:10 mark and onward, Davie McPhail demonstrates the technique referenced above:

http://youtu.be/6zR2QXREz70?t=2m11s

Thanks John! Maybe that is where I saw it.....

You're welcome, Izaak. And Wayne, you have some mad tying skilz on those tiny flies. An 18 is about all I can manage, and nowhere near as well as you. (I guess I have decided to resume posting, at least for a while.)

JohnP wrote: (I guess I have decided to resume posting, at least for a while.)