Split thread technique - looking for early references

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Re: Split thread technique - looking for early references

Post by Hans Weilenmann » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:16 pm

Thank you gentlemen. Awesome ;-)

The new number is 1810...

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Re: Split thread technique - looking for early references

Post by Mike Connor » Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:37 pm

SCOTCHER (GEORGE)
The Fly Fisher's Legacy. Including bibliographical, biographical and historical notes by Jack Heddon, one of 20 "Out of Series" copies on large paper, from an overall edition of 400, 30 flies dressed by Jack Heddon mounted within 4 sunken mounts, publisher's green half morocco gilt, g.e., slipcase, 8vo, Honey Dun Press, 1974

Here are some of those flies dressed by Heddon

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Re: Split thread technique - looking for early references

Post by DNicolson » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:09 pm

There is a reference in W. H. Lawrie's book 'All-Fur Flies' page 65 to G. S. Marryat inventing a technique of
split thread fur hackle construction. Lawrie used Skues (Holograph Notes) as the origin of this statement.
I can't remember the date of Marryat's death, but at least it takes the split thread back a fair bit.
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Re: Split thread technique - looking for early references

Post by hankaye » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:35 pm

Howdy All;

Did a wee bit of google and found this;

http://books.google.com/books?id=zaP74h ... at&f=false

doesn’t mention the split silk but, does mention The Capt. fishing with Halford around 1876 or so...

1810 still the target.

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Re: Split thread technique - looking for early references

Post by willowhead » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:40 pm

Totally amazing thread. Thankx for starting it Hans. ;)
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Re: Split thread technique - looking for early references

Post by daringduffer » Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:22 am

Mike Connor wrote:SCOTCHER (GEORGE)
The Fly Fisher's Legacy. Including bibliographical, biographical and historical notes by Jack Heddon, one of 20 "Out of Series" copies on large paper, from an overall edition of 400, 30 flies dressed by Jack Heddon mounted within 4 sunken mounts, publisher's green half morocco gilt, g.e., slipcase, 8vo, Honey Dun Press, 1974

Here are some of those flies dressed by Heddon

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Mike,

I like those flies. No 15 reminds me of the "Smoke Fly" but I'm not sure about the hackle. Do you have names and tying recipies for them?

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Re: Split thread technique - looking for early references

Post by Mike Connor » Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:11 pm

You can find the names and patterns here;

http://www.archive.org/stream/troutsalm ... 6/mode/2up

http://www.archive.org/details/troutsal ... 00hansrich

Hansard plagiarised Scotcher's patterns exactly!

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Re: Split thread technique - looking for early references

Post by daringduffer » Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:01 pm

Mike Connor wrote:You can find the names and patterns here;

http://www.archive.org/stream/troutsalm ... 6/mode/2up

http://www.archive.org/details/troutsal ... 00hansrich

Hansard plagiarised Scotcher's patterns exactly!

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No 15 would then be the "Fernshaw, Hazel or Button Fly", tied with a "Marlow buz feather" (furnace?).

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Re: Split thread technique - looking for early references

Post by Mike Connor » Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:16 pm

daringduffer wrote:
Mike Connor wrote:You can find the names and patterns here;

http://www.archive.org/stream/troutsalm ... 6/mode/2up

http://www.archive.org/details/troutsal ... 00hansrich

Hansard plagiarised Scotcher's patterns exactly!

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No 15 would then be the "Fernshaw, Hazel or Button Fly", tied with a "Marlow buz feather" (furnace?).

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Yes. "Marlow Buzz", "Coch-y- Bondu", "Welshman's Button", "Hazel Fly", "Shorn Fly" all different names for the same fly, generally considered to be a beetle imitation used furnace feathers.

No. 30 Here;

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Originals here;

http://www.archive.org/stream/flyfishen ... 4/mode/2up

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query ... entomology

http://www.archive.org/stream/flyfishen ... 5/mode/2up

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Re: Split thread technique - looking for early references

Post by Mike Connor » Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:32 pm

Also known as "Fernshaw" , Bracken clock" and other names.

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